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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2008, 01:39:43 pm »
and here's an update. Sony's apparently confirmed it's talking with M$ about Bluray support:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/03/07/sony_apple_microsoft_in_bluray_talks/
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2008, 03:05:28 pm »
I wonder.  If they DID actually make a firm decision to the point of INCLUDING blu-Ray in future versions of X-Box, Sony could possibly be shooting themselves in the foot.  I mean if the console with the better-online support, slightly more variety in games, and was also CHEAPER included a blu-Ray player on top of it, the only reason to get PS3 would be for the marginal graphic-improvements or the few stubborn games that aren't multiconsole.  Then again, MS has to pay Sony some royalties...but if that worked out for them in the long run, why not?

It can go either way since I don't have the money for either console, but still...interesting idea.  Might still want to hear what comes of it all..
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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2008, 06:19:27 pm »
that's actually an interesting way of putting it. I suppose Sony would be stabbing themselves in their own feet by letting the XBox support Bluray. As you quite rightly say there'd effectively be no difference between the 2 consoles except them non multiplatform games. This could be an interesting battle, much like the HDDVD/Bluray one was in the first place!
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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2008, 07:38:17 am »
I don't think so personally. I never thought either format would really take off and I still stand by that. Downloadable media content is the wave of the future not Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Sony already knows this seeing as they have already said that the next Playstation will not have a disk drive on board but rather a large hard drive for mass downloads. Really Blu-Ray is just a format to shut up the people who want to have HD movies but not wait for the download services to take off and become standard.

So really I just don't see it happening plus the 360 games are doing just fine on DVD the main reason why the PS3 needed Blu-Ray is the programing achtecture of the Cell processor. It requires far more code to make games than the 360 achtecture from my understanding. I mean MGS4 uses the full 50GB of the game and it is likely only going to be a 6-8 hour game like the other games in the series. I cannot even imagine how big Final Fantasy XIII will be seeing as that will likely be a 40 hour game. It could need 2 or 3 Blu-Ray disk for the whole thing.
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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2008, 03:25:40 pm »
Quote from: PM_NiGHTS on March 16, 2008, 07:38:17 am
I don't think so personally. I never thought either format would really take off and I still stand by that. Downloadable media content is the wave of the future not Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Sony already knows this seeing as they have already said that the next Playstation will not have a disk drive on board but rather a large hard drive for mass downloads. Really Blu-Ray is just a format to shut up the people who want to have HD movies but not wait for the download services to take off and become standard.

So really I just don't see it happening plus the 360 games are doing just fine on DVD the main reason why the PS3 needed Blu-Ray is the programing achtecture of the Cell processor. It requires far more code to make games than the 360 achtecture from my understanding. I mean MGS4 uses the full 50GB of the game and it is likely only going to be a 6-8 hour game like the other games in the series. I cannot even imagine how big Final Fantasy XIII will be seeing as that will likely be a 40 hour game. It could need 2 or 3 Blu-Ray disk for the whole thing.
haha, according to Disney reps, you're wrong. Blu-ray is here to stay. Digi-Distro is waay to far in the future. People just don't want to have to download content, and their broadband is too slow for it.

I think you're right though. BD will be for those who simply don't want to deal with the internetz. For "us", we'll be dl'ing shi easily. I'm actually all for it. As long as I can download it as many times I want from any place I want, and get updates for it. meaning...being able to download uber hd versions of it in the future. If someone provides that in some shape or form, I'll totally start buying dvds

But at this...point I'm finding it useless. I've bough a couple of seasons of The Simpsons. They're not cheap, and now BD is out...I have to buy another disc to get a better rez, or extra features? meh...I'd rather dl the damn things. If however, I got free updates (good customer support) I would not mind buying it.

Steam for example, all the games I have on pc that are legit (not dl'd) are from steam. Everything else like the sims or crysis is downloaded.
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2008, 10:57:54 am »
Do you really believe a Disney Rep. come on. I think it is ironic that X-Box live HD content is doing about as well as Blu-Ray. As for the speed issue well that will not be an issue when everyone goes to HD service and gets easy access to on demand. With the 2009 switch over coming many people will get there service through a cable or satellite providers and they all do theres through advance boxes with many features including on demand.

I have that service right now and I can say that it is a great setup. I can watch many of the big name movies out in stores right now with the click or a button on my remote and it does not cost as much and I can get it in HD. Plus many of these come with a built in DVR so you can record it. So really the 2009 HD coverstion will likely hurt Blu-Ray more than help it.
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2008, 01:29:04 pm »
PM_Nights, while it may have been the case in the past, you'll no longer be able to record paper view movies onto any device. You're also really exaggerating how well paper view and xbox live content is doing. Sure, it puts up some great numbers - but it doesn't even begin to penetrate the market to begin making a switch.

The 2009 conversion is not to an HD signal - it's to a digital signal. Huge difference. You'll still have to pay out the big bucks to get pure HD Programming. Will the quality be better? Slightly. All it's really doing is ENABLING everyone the opportunity to receive higher resolution TV. Things in our daily life are analog - waves. A computer cannot understand waves and so they have to be converted into 1's and 0's - digital. The biggest advantage of switching over to digital is that you're freeing up a whole bunch of frequencies on the wave spectrum that the FCC controls. More than one channel/program can be sent over the same frequency. We'll be switching over from NTSC to ATSC. The NTSC standard came back from the 50's when color was introduced and we had to figure out a new solution - it was backwards compatible. This is not.

Also, 2009 conversion to ATSC is not worldwide. Nations like Mexico are not taking the step until 2022 or so. What about them? A hard copy of entertainment is still vital to our society. Yes, digital download really is hopefully the wave of the future. BUT - do you really understand how big these movies are? A standard hour and a half movie is packed into a 8.54 Gigabyte DVD. And that's only 480i resolution. With Blu-Ray we're moving up to a 720p resolutions. And 1080i/p is already floating around. Do you really think standard internet connections can handle this massive bandwidth? With ISP's limiting bandwidth and us paying out of our nose - digital downloads are quite a few years down the road.

I hope optical discs are phased out by USB honestly. USB 3.0 is should be out in a couple of years. Flash memory is already making huge leaps. The leap in transfer rate will be 60 MByte/s for USB 2.0 to 600 MByte/s for USB 3.0. Unless there are changes to Blu-Ray the fastest you can get a disc spinning is 12x without it wobbling so much that it is unreadable. That's only a 54MB/s read/write rate. Not bad - but nothing compared to USB 3.0.
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2008, 05:26:20 am »
some minor corrections to that statement.
the full capacity of a dual layered dvd is 8.5Gb. an average 2 hour movie with a handful of special features is around the 7Gb mark. I've never actually come across a movie that fills the entire 8.5Gb's of disc.
you're not wrong about the more storage needed for HD content. a Bluray disc is around the 25-50Gb capacity mark. This is enough (depending on encoder settings) to store up to 10 hours of HD content. In comparison, a 8.5Gb DVD can store between 20 and 40 minutes of HD content. Spin/transfer speeds are enough to read the content off and buffer some more, but Bluray speeds don't generally exceed 4-8x. But you're quite right with the 12x spin rate. It's the reason DVD drives never really went past 16x, whereas CDROM drives went all the way to 52x.
USB3 is rumoured to have transfer rates of up to 4.7Gb/s. The reason behind that is that they added an extra 5 pins to the USB connector. a USB3 device will be able to connect to a USB2 port, and run at USB2 speeds. But with the continued development of flash memory chips, Toshiba have already announced they've developed a chip that can store 4x as much information as a single one. So you'll end up with 32 or so Gb's of data on a single chip. Not currently possible with today's technology. With that comes faster transfer speeds. However this technology isn't reliable yet, so it's a good few years away.
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2008, 08:08:21 pm »
Yes, I was generalizing. I realize that on a dual layered dvd not all of it is dedicated to the movie.

And, while I realize that Blu-Ray will do just fine as far as reading - I'm more worried about write speeds. They suck. Yes, adoption of 3.0 is quite far down the road - I'm just saying in the future. Access speeds for external hard drives (and a lot of internal) and flash drives really could be better.
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2008, 09:56:14 am »
Rumors are abound! Rumors of a 360 with a built-in Blu-Ray drive run rampant, as well as rumors of a 360 blu-ray addon (just like the HD-DVD player addon). In fact, if you google, you can find a survey that asked if you owned the following, and one of the listed items was "Xbox 360 with Blu Ray Player". All this is rumors for now.
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